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		<title>By: onetamad</title>
		<link>http://www.indolentindio.com/2008/07/xenophobia-begins-at-home-1-indians/comment-page-1/#comment-2956</link>
		<dc:creator>onetamad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike: Indians are disliked for no reason at all except for being different. Well, also generally dark skin. 

It&#039;s our sickness, I guess. We hate ourselves for not being white enough, and by extension look down on anyone less white than us. 

Indian moneylenders are actually pretty cool, and have tided over many a family through hard times. But being Filipinos, we tend to forget this when it&#039;s time to pay up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike: Indians are disliked for no reason at all except for being different. Well, also generally dark skin. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s our sickness, I guess. We hate ourselves for not being white enough, and by extension look down on anyone less white than us. </p>
<p>Indian moneylenders are actually pretty cool, and have tided over many a family through hard times. But being Filipinos, we tend to forget this when it&#8217;s time to pay up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.indolentindio.com/2008/07/xenophobia-begins-at-home-1-indians/comment-page-1/#comment-2955</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Antibeast gets the undercurrent of the people.

If the Bumbays provide micro-credit to people who can&#039;t get any loan from bank, friends or relatives - what&#039;s wrong?  Last time I checked - no body hated pawnshops for one&#039;s own misfortune - why take out the anger of poverty on a community that actually takes a real risk on its money (and life) and bets on the Filipino to thrive from such help.  It&#039;s shameful. 

The Chinese too lend money - albeit, at a higher scale and to a different strata of society. Perhaps that&#039;s why they in their SUVs are envied and respected while the Bumbay collecting micropayments on the bike in scorching sun gets curses hurled at. 

As far as hygiene is concerned, Filipinos take it a step ahead.  I have WTF moments every time I see someone use a fork &amp; knife to eat chicken wings or a clubhouse sandwich.  At the same time, it is probably ok to eat Dinuguan at a Jollijeep across the street. Or to roast an entire piglet and let the aroma spread in Salcedo Village.  To eat such tempting dishes and claim that Indians smell foul like curry is silly. Last I checked, Curry was taking over the world.  

Seems that the Indians are disliked for no good enough reason. Perhaps, they are an easy and safe target for the masses. 

It&#039;s heartening however to listen to all the testimonies of kindness and friendship that the cab drivers recall from their time in Gulf with Indian peers.


@Miss Choi,

Although it&#039;s chuckling to accept feedback on driving from girls :)  I agree, Indian youths are aggressive and undisciplined on the road - not every single one of them, but a lot of them.

You are right about workplace too, Indians don&#039;t take to criticism lightly, unless it is grounded and constructive. At times if not all, Filipinos are too nice to be blunt and objective so the sandwiched/roundabout feedback comes across as a whining wastage of time and not something valuable and actionable.  

We are victims of contrasting natures- Indians are too objective and direct while Filipinos would rather shut up than have a confrontation.  I have consciously tried to change myself over these years so if we ever work together - perhaps your perception will change :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Antibeast gets the undercurrent of the people.</p>
<p>If the Bumbays provide micro-credit to people who can&#8217;t get any loan from bank, friends or relatives &#8211; what&#8217;s wrong?  Last time I checked &#8211; no body hated pawnshops for one&#8217;s own misfortune &#8211; why take out the anger of poverty on a community that actually takes a real risk on its money (and life) and bets on the Filipino to thrive from such help.  It&#8217;s shameful. </p>
<p>The Chinese too lend money &#8211; albeit, at a higher scale and to a different strata of society. Perhaps that&#8217;s why they in their SUVs are envied and respected while the Bumbay collecting micropayments on the bike in scorching sun gets curses hurled at. </p>
<p>As far as hygiene is concerned, Filipinos take it a step ahead.  I have WTF moments every time I see someone use a fork &amp; knife to eat chicken wings or a clubhouse sandwich.  At the same time, it is probably ok to eat Dinuguan at a Jollijeep across the street. Or to roast an entire piglet and let the aroma spread in Salcedo Village.  To eat such tempting dishes and claim that Indians smell foul like curry is silly. Last I checked, Curry was taking over the world.  </p>
<p>Seems that the Indians are disliked for no good enough reason. Perhaps, they are an easy and safe target for the masses. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s heartening however to listen to all the testimonies of kindness and friendship that the cab drivers recall from their time in Gulf with Indian peers.</p>
<p>@Miss Choi,</p>
<p>Although it&#8217;s chuckling to accept feedback on driving from girls <img src='http://www.indolentindio.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I agree, Indian youths are aggressive and undisciplined on the road &#8211; not every single one of them, but a lot of them.</p>
<p>You are right about workplace too, Indians don&#8217;t take to criticism lightly, unless it is grounded and constructive. At times if not all, Filipinos are too nice to be blunt and objective so the sandwiched/roundabout feedback comes across as a whining wastage of time and not something valuable and actionable.  </p>
<p>We are victims of contrasting natures- Indians are too objective and direct while Filipinos would rather shut up than have a confrontation.  I have consciously tried to change myself over these years so if we ever work together &#8211; perhaps your perception will change <img src='http://www.indolentindio.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: onetamad</title>
		<link>http://www.indolentindio.com/2008/07/xenophobia-begins-at-home-1-indians/comment-page-1/#comment-1604</link>
		<dc:creator>onetamad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what races are those? Failipino, ching chong and...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what races are those? Failipino, ching chong and&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: pantslesscat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pantslesscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this, I am now proud of the fact that I am an equal opportunity &quot;hater&quot; who takes care to know of racial stereotypes for just about any race, culture, etc. including my own (all 3 of them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this, I am now proud of the fact that I am an equal opportunity &#8220;hater&#8221; who takes care to know of racial stereotypes for just about any race, culture, etc. including my own (all 3 of them).</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, do not  think it is because of the british. we did not take anything cultural from them. It is due to poverty and population. If you do not work in the govt (which actually is the largest employer as we still have our large industries controled by govt owned companies) you need to work very hard to survive. poverty and population also drives other things like crime, corruption, pollution, competition and aggression. by nature and by religion we are timid people. In spite of being big and powerful we have never attacked any country since our existance, we have been ruled by mogules for 700 years, by british for 200, we gave in to separatist demands and let our country be divided into pakistan and bangladesh, china occupies a big chunk of northern and eastern territories, pakistan - the good for nothing state too cocupies a large chunk of northern territory. Our behavior is situational and driven by harsh conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, do not  think it is because of the british. we did not take anything cultural from them. It is due to poverty and population. If you do not work in the govt (which actually is the largest employer as we still have our large industries controled by govt owned companies) you need to work very hard to survive. poverty and population also drives other things like crime, corruption, pollution, competition and aggression. by nature and by religion we are timid people. In spite of being big and powerful we have never attacked any country since our existance, we have been ruled by mogules for 700 years, by british for 200, we gave in to separatist demands and let our country be divided into pakistan and bangladesh, china occupies a big chunk of northern and eastern territories, pakistan &#8211; the good for nothing state too cocupies a large chunk of northern territory. Our behavior is situational and driven by harsh conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: onetamad</title>
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		<dc:creator>onetamad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, that&#039;s very interesting. Thank you for the insight into your culture. Personally, I find Indian culture fascinating, and have always wanted to visit your country. 

Is the high priority you put on work an effect of British colonization, do you think? Or is it because of poverty? Or something else entirely? Like, is it a traditional Indian virtue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, that&#8217;s very interesting. Thank you for the insight into your culture. Personally, I find Indian culture fascinating, and have always wanted to visit your country. </p>
<p>Is the high priority you put on work an effect of British colonization, do you think? Or is it because of poverty? Or something else entirely? Like, is it a traditional Indian virtue?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I came to phil 4 years ago I found Filipinos to smell awful. Yea, I later realized that that awful smell was like fish (I had never smelled fish before!) I am from north India, it’s a land locked area and we do not get to eat that much fish. I now love the fish and the smell! However, I was not considered to smell. Not all Indians smell just like not all Filipinos do not smell. I would say the percentage of Indians that smell is similar to the percentage of Filipinos that do.
When I first came it was very hard for me to read Filipino expressions. I found them to be poker faced. Apparently, the feeling was mutual. I was the poker face for my Filipino colleagues. 4 years on, I think I can make myself better understood to a Filipino then probably to another Indian.
Work wise, yes Indians ARE horrible to work with for any foreigner. Well here&#039;s the life&#039;s priority list for an average Indian: - 1. Work, 2. Family
This is how it will typically look like for an average working Filipino: - 1. Family, 2. Friends, 3. Religion, 4. Work, 5. Hobby (the 4th and 5th can be interchanged.)

As much as I would love to have a priority list like the Filipino, I will not be able to survive (eat two square meals a day) if I will not have a job in India. To cite just one behavioral example - We love it when our boss calls us on a weekend. It shows that he needs us and that our job is safe. Apparently it does not work this way with Filipinos. For Filipinos, there is more to life than work. In India there is no life without work (except for those who work in the govt! :p). 
Among other things, Indian manners come across as rude to most of the foreigners (not just Filipinos). But they are just fine within Indians. Another example – I would typically say Sorry or Thank you to a stranger, not to a friend or a college I think is like my friend. Sorry and Thank you are formal terms in our country. Indians are not good with social etiquettes and manners. 
One last example (a common cause of disputes in office). Filipinos pay attention first to “how” something is being said and then if he/she is comfortable with the manner, he/she will listen to “what” is being said. If not, a Filipino will blank out and immediately start hating the person who is saying something really important and urgent! Indian on the other hand tends to listen to “what” first and deals with it and keeps the “how” to later. 
To speak more positively for my own sake – we are people of actions then of words or gestures! :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I came to phil 4 years ago I found Filipinos to smell awful. Yea, I later realized that that awful smell was like fish (I had never smelled fish before!) I am from north India, it’s a land locked area and we do not get to eat that much fish. I now love the fish and the smell! However, I was not considered to smell. Not all Indians smell just like not all Filipinos do not smell. I would say the percentage of Indians that smell is similar to the percentage of Filipinos that do.<br />
When I first came it was very hard for me to read Filipino expressions. I found them to be poker faced. Apparently, the feeling was mutual. I was the poker face for my Filipino colleagues. 4 years on, I think I can make myself better understood to a Filipino then probably to another Indian.<br />
Work wise, yes Indians ARE horrible to work with for any foreigner. Well here&#8217;s the life&#8217;s priority list for an average Indian: &#8211; 1. Work, 2. Family<br />
This is how it will typically look like for an average working Filipino: &#8211; 1. Family, 2. Friends, 3. Religion, 4. Work, 5. Hobby (the 4th and 5th can be interchanged.)</p>
<p>As much as I would love to have a priority list like the Filipino, I will not be able to survive (eat two square meals a day) if I will not have a job in India. To cite just one behavioral example &#8211; We love it when our boss calls us on a weekend. It shows that he needs us and that our job is safe. Apparently it does not work this way with Filipinos. For Filipinos, there is more to life than work. In India there is no life without work (except for those who work in the govt! :p).<br />
Among other things, Indian manners come across as rude to most of the foreigners (not just Filipinos). But they are just fine within Indians. Another example – I would typically say Sorry or Thank you to a stranger, not to a friend or a college I think is like my friend. Sorry and Thank you are formal terms in our country. Indians are not good with social etiquettes and manners.<br />
One last example (a common cause of disputes in office). Filipinos pay attention first to “how” something is being said and then if he/she is comfortable with the manner, he/she will listen to “what” is being said. If not, a Filipino will blank out and immediately start hating the person who is saying something really important and urgent! Indian on the other hand tends to listen to “what” first and deals with it and keeps the “how” to later.<br />
To speak more positively for my own sake – we are people of actions then of words or gestures! :p</p>
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		<title>By: onetamad</title>
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		<dc:creator>onetamad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zaide, on the other hand, really played up the &quot;Only Catholic Nation&quot; angle, saying that that was why the Philippines was so abundant in natural resources. I promptly threw out his textbook after that.

You might want to check &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indolentindio.com/?p=28&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; out, since you&#039;re into history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaide, on the other hand, really played up the &#8220;Only Catholic Nation&#8221; angle, saying that that was why the Philippines was so abundant in natural resources. I promptly threw out his textbook after that.</p>
<p>You might want to check <a href="http://www.indolentindio.com/?p=28" rel="nofollow">this</a> out, since you&#8217;re into history.</p>
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		<title>By: AntiBeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>AntiBeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing new here. Edward Said called it “Orientalism”. For a people and a country that prides itself in being the “Only Christian Nation” in Asia, ethnic stereotypes against Indians were designed to degrade their Asian Civilization based on Hinduism, from whence came Buddhism. The problem really is the Filipino sense of themselves as “white” and their definition of their National Identity as anti-Asian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing new here. Edward Said called it “Orientalism”. For a people and a country that prides itself in being the “Only Christian Nation” in Asia, ethnic stereotypes against Indians were designed to degrade their Asian Civilization based on Hinduism, from whence came Buddhism. The problem really is the Filipino sense of themselves as “white” and their definition of their National Identity as anti-Asian.</p>
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		<title>By: miss choi</title>
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		<dc:creator>miss choi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  They are horrible people.  I swear to every god imaginable.  I&#039;ve read the Chinese post and I love the fact that I&#039;m somehow in line for the throne of the dragon emperor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  They are horrible people.  I swear to every god imaginable.  I&#8217;ve read the Chinese post and I love the fact that I&#8217;m somehow in line for the throne of the dragon emperor.</p>
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